Author Topic: Ivomec for dogs (Read 17558 times)

aliengoat57 · « **on:** May 08, 2005, 02:41:08 AM »

I recently got 2 Australian Shepard puppies. Has anyone heard/used Ivomec Inj. on their dogs for worming/flea control? I was told that this can be used but must watch dosage carefully.

sam · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:12:44 AM »

You can give Ivomec to dogs. It is 1/10th the body weight But NEVER give it to Collies or Border Collies. (edited for wrong use of wording)

Samantha

GoatTalker · « **Reply #2 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:19:25 AM »

Oooo that doesn't sound like the dose my vet gave me. Check with your vet for dosage please.

sam · « **Reply #3 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:32:28 AM »

Well a 40 pound dog would get .04 CC,

NancyGoat · « **Reply #4 on:** May 08, 2005, 01:38:38 PM »

Isn't Ivomec supposed to be given orally to dogs??

sam · « **Reply #5 on:** May 08, 2005, 02:08:53 PM »

Barnes · « **Reply #6 on:** May 08, 2005, 02:14:38 PM »

The only reason I give my dogs Ivomec is to prevent heart worms. The dog must be test negative before preventive treatment can start. The Ivomec is given orally, I use 1/10th cc per 10 pounds. This takes the place of HeartGuard and other heart worm preventatives. You can consult your vet for a blood test and proper dosing. There are some breeds that are very sensitive to Ivomec, please consult your vet first.

ilyacres · « **Reply #7 on:** May 08, 2005, 06:32:42 PM »

We give Ivomec to all of our dogs even my chi. We give it SQ and have been for several years. Of course if you don't have them tested for heart worms first and they have them it can kill them. We tried doing it orally and you would have thought they were dying by the way they acted. The vet said that it was no problem giving it SQ. Buffy, my female pyr had a problem with ear mites when we got her. The drops didn't work but she has been ear mite free since giving ivomec. We were told to give 1cc per 50lbs, by the vet.

bcrescue · « **Reply #8 on:** May 29, 2005, 09:58:03 PM »

Why are you NOT supposed to give Ivomectin to herding breeds?
I do Border Collie rescue, and if i could learn to use the Ivo on them - it sure would cut costs for me. Would someone please write me back on this??
Thanks.
LB

Jill · « **Reply #9 on:** May 29, 2005, 10:51:26 PM »

You are not supposed to give ivermectin to some herding breeds. I do not know specifically why so many herding breeds have problems with Ivermectin, but they do. You can use meds like Interceptor, which is free of ivermectin and safe for all breeds.

There is a rhyme about ivermectin and dogs, it is "white feet, don't treat".

Please do not try it...

Here is a thread from another board that goes into this in detail. I hope it's okay to post it here. I'm not promoting the other board, which is about miniature horses, but I think the information is something anyone thinking of dosing a dog with ivermectin should see:

http://minihorse.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=21204

Jill · « **Reply #10 on:** May 29, 2005, 10:53:50 PM »

btw, this is at the top of my mind before reading this thread because we are getting a blue merle collie puppy on the 15th of June and I was looking to make sure the heart worm medication we use is not Ivermectin based (Interceptor, it is not Iver.). Now, though, I worry about the horses' poop. I do deworm them, and our goats, with Ivermectin and you all probably know dogs have some disturbing snack habits

GoatTalker · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2005, 11:12:33 PM »

We have 3 Border Collies, and an Australian Shepard. We give Ivomec+ injected into a hot dog once a month, on the direction of our vet, and have been very happy with the results. The scare regarding Collies has to do with a genetic flaw, that interfers with the uptake/release of the drug. Not all Collies are affected, the same way not all collies have bad/affected eyes, or the genetic flaw for grey.

bcrescue · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2005, 09:00:52 AM »

How much do you give them in the hot dog - what's the dosing?
Isn't Interceptor something that you have to get from the vet that costs a fortune just like the Heartgard and the rest?
I wasn't sure what you meant by "the genetic flaw for gray" if you could, please explain.
I have two Blue Merle BCs and they are gorgeous! They are somewhat unusual too - people think they're Aussies until i point out the tail

I also have chocolates, reds and tris - and of course B&W...those are just MY dogs! Then there's the rescue. That's why the Ivo would help me out a lot, though i sure don't want to hurt any of them...so the right dosage is very important to me.

sam · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2005, 10:05:11 AM »

You can test your BCs for ivermectin tolerability. The ivermectin can kill the collies and such. By the tim eyou realize they cant handle the ivomect they are usually convulsing or in a coma.

We do rescue too and it is expensive but you just have to take in the number of dogs you can afford is all. Remember you cant save them all.

bcrescue · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2005, 07:02:11 PM »

First of all - Is Ivermectin and Ivomec the same, just a brand thing?
If not what's the difference?
Second, i really would like any scientific articles or links for this thing with herding breeds - i mean that could be a lot of breeds! For instance, German Shepherds are herding class dogs. Are they exempt only because they have no white? It is rather confusing and i don't understand "why" you can't give it to dogs with white on them. So that's why I'd love to see some scientific reasons so as to better understand it.
I am also still interested in the proper dosing - and wouldn't give it without looking into this as thoroughly as possible. Thanks.
Lovin' My Dogs,
LB

GoatTalker · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2005, 07:23:16 PM »

Try these:

http://www.vet.utk.edu/diagnostic/parasitology/Small%20Animal%20Parasiticides%2005.pdf

http://www.vet.utk.edu/diagnostic/parasitology/Small%20Animal%20Parasiticides%2005.pdf

This one is great

http://www.vet.purdue.edu/bms/courses/mcmp611/chmrx/nemathd.htm

http://www.vet.purdue.edu/bms/courses/mcmp611/chmrx/nemathd.htm

sam · « **Reply #16 on:** May 31, 2005, 06:45:31 AM »

1/22/2005
Ivermectin Study Clarification

Questions have arisen about the DNA Test for a mutant gene producing adverse reactions to ivermectin and other medications. This test has been developed at the Washington State University Veterinary School. They have discovered that 75% of Collies, 25% of Border Collies , 8% of Old English Sheep dogs plus other breeds have this mutant gene.

Ivermectin toxicity causes neurological toxicity including hypersalivation, ataxia, blindness, coma, respiratory compromise, ascending paralysis and death. Some Skye Terriers have had similar reactions to ivermectin as described in Collies. In the past 12 years there have been approximately 12 Skyes who have died from ivermectin toxicity. This number reflects only the dogs whose deaths have been brought to my attention personally. In addition there have been several other Skyes who have survived ivermectin reaction. If anyone presently has a dog who is still alive after having had a reaction to ivermectin or any of the other drugs on this list, please contact me privately. This study was established to determine if Skyes also have this mutant gene or is there a different mutant gene that causes the adverse reaction. This research will give us that answer. The results of this study will be published by WSU and the Skye Terrier
Foundation. The identity of individual dogs participating in this study will not be published. All owners will be notified of the results of their individual dogs test as requested either by snail mail or e-mail.

Donald F. Brown, MD
Skye Terrier Foundation
E-mail: clandonanskye@earthlink.net
Phone: (843) 726-3237

C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\I1K0PHIY\Household%20Toxicants%20Part%202[1].ppt

Read the part on Ivermectin.

From here you can just google Ivermectin reactions in Border Collies. I could list a ton of sites but have to many things to tend to. I am not telling you how to raise your dogs. Only that there is enormous Data documenting Ivermectin and certain breeds. You do what you want with your dogs. Does not seem that you care to listen or research.

Good luck.

GoatTalker · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2005, 04:19:32 PM »

Samantha, there is conflicting research on this subject. When my local dog vet, horse vet, and goat vet all suggest using Ivomec (not Ivomectin) and then there is a body of evidence from universities that support their recommendations, then yes, we use it. If you read the label on Front Line, you will see, the active medication is the same.

sam · « **Reply #18 on:** May 31, 2005, 04:37:44 PM »

Do you have Border Collies? If so and they are doing good on it great. I use it on my Pit bull. But I do not use it on my Border Collies. I personally wont risk it.

GoatTalker · « **Reply #19 on:** May 31, 2005, 06:20:01 PM »

Yes, we have 3 Border Collies, and an Australian Shepard. All are doing great on Ivomec+ delivered in a hot dog, once a month.

bcrescue · « **Reply #20 on:** June 01, 2005, 01:12:43 AM »

Well I am sure confused now!
However, it seems that some of what I read stated there had been some sort of mistake on the Collie announcement - in the amount recommended for use or something?

It's true - i do use other products that has Ivermectin in it, but what's the percentage? I've used Frontline type products for years.

I am still looking for answers, including a couple of emails i have out and in here. please keep me posted and if i find out anything I'll let y'all know too.

I am STILL looking for amounts. If anyone here has BCs and gives the Ivermectin, could you please share with me how much you give & how often?
Thanks.
LB

GoatTalker · « **Reply #21 on:** June 01, 2005, 02:33:34 AM »

We give .01`cc per 10 lbs, once a month to our three Border Collies, and our Australian Shepard.

bcrescue · « **Reply #22 on:** June 01, 2005, 03:18:47 AM »

Thank you SO MUCH! I think i will try it (i use hot dogs for stuff too!),

but only on a couple on the absolute healthiest ones first - just to be sure.
I think since i have used other products in the past with the Ivo in it, that all may be well.
Fingers Crossed just the same.

LB & The Gang

sam · « **Reply #23 on:** June 01, 2005, 05:50:07 AM »

I am glad your dogs dogs do well. I guess as a vet tech I have seen too many animals suffer because their owners made a mistake. Until you see for your eyes you just cant believe it.

Glad it is working out for you.

LB What rescue do you run?

Thanks

NancyGoat · « **Reply #24 on:** June 01, 2005, 02:14:10 PM »

Nicollett is also a certified, experienced Vet Tech.

bcrescue · « **Reply #25 on:** June 02, 2005, 01:28:27 AM »

I run Border Collie Rescue of the San Antonio/Hill Country Area...
But the dogs really come from all over, especially Austin and Dallas/Ft. Worth.
Sometimes other states like OK.

Unfortunately i have had to pull way back because i just don't get much support and it's just getting Waaaaay too expensive. I've been doing it for years and years...i guess i could be a little burned out too. (ya think maybe? LOL)

I sure do love 'em though! :help: !!

LB

GoatTalker · « **Reply #26 on:** June 02, 2005, 01:33:36 AM »

They are hard not to love, and everyone sooooo different. We have one (a rescue) who was scared of her own shadow when we got her, now she trys to pick fights with the Aussie, one who jerked his head away from me as a pup and gave me the hard eye when I wanted him to do something, he is now my love puppy, and is happy to lay at my feet, if he isn't running the fence trying to work goats, and a third who was a lover puppy, and who now bites the lead and thrashes when I try to walk him, but who walks for my grandson (it is HIS dog.) We truly love them, but as you know, they aren't for everyone.

bcrescue · « **Reply #27 on:** June 02, 2005, 04:31:34 AM »

No - You're right, they aren't for everyone...it's interesting that i get so many folks who tell me i must be nuts to do Border Collies as rescue ("Why on earth would you pick THAT breed!"), to the others who can't imagine why there would even need to be a rescue for BCs in the first place.
Most of the BCs that come into rescue are because of the simple fact that people did not do their homework when they got the dog...they saw a cute pup and figured it would be laid-back and obedient by magic or that somehow they could just will it to be ok in that apartment or tiny, boring yard with no one home all day every day...hahahaha - they picked the wrong breed to try and "will" to do anything, not to mention let get bored! The last thing one wants is a bored BC...
- For as we know all too well...all Border Collies need a job. :)
Lovin' My Dogs (& Goats!),
LB

sam · « **Reply #28 on:** June 02, 2005, 05:47:00 AM »

A break may do you well. Everyone needs a break. It is very expensive. You are probably a lot like us and do everything out of pocket. Good Luck.

Jill · « **Reply #29 on:** June 02, 2005, 12:34:05 PM »

I don't have a clue about the scientific "why" but I've heard not to do it from many horse people. I'd just call the vet and follow his or her advice. I know that I'm not going to chance Ivermectin on any of my dogs, herding type or not. It just doesn't make sense when the non-ivermectin heart worm medication is safe and affordable.

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Author Topic: Ivomec for dogs (Read 17558 times)